"He realized that The Precious Present was just that: The Present. Not the past; and not the future, but The precious Present." Spencer Johnson author of The Precious Present Let's be honest, any long term activity can lead to burn out. As triathletes in Southern California, we're in an extremely high risk category. Endurance sports like triathlon provide us with great joy and elation after most workouts and races, but a long season can wear down the body, the mind and the spirit. Add to that the fact that we live here in the land of endless summer, so if we're not careful we can look back and see months and months building up to link season after season without a decent break. I want to speak directly to the mental side of the problem: Triathletes often talk of over-training or over-reaching, but this is more about attitude than exertion. Many Team members started this season's training extremely early in order to find good form for both Wildflower and Ironman California. Now, with several important races coming this September to Los Angeles, some athletes are looking at 9 to 10 months of seemingly endless sessions in the pool, circles on the bike and strides on the run. That kind of monotony can take all the fun right out triathlon, arguably the greatest sport in the world in one of its greatest years. To keep things fresh, here are some suggestions: Give it a rest: Five days off can make you find the hunger for a workout. Take that training time and go for a hike, go to the beach, or sleep late and read. In comparison to five days of mediocre forced training, five days of rest will yield no loss of fitness and can boost morale. Find Inspiration: July is tough month for triathlon in LA. We've been at it for several months, but there are still more to go. It's hot, the beach routes are crowded. TV is loaded with reruns, but thank heaven for the Tour de France! If you can't find inspiration in the effort put out by those guys, then you may need therapy beyond what Bob Forster offers. Especially now, an American team with the US Postal name, the style of Lance, and the whole cancer thing - just thinking about it makes me want to jump up from the keyboard and go for a spin. If the Tour doesn't do it for you, then check out the Track and Field Olympic qualifier or view some Ironmans of old on tape. Buddy up: If you're not making it out as often as you like and you're missing a few too many workouts that you told yourself you were gonna make, then find a partner. There are athletes out there that are dying to find a workout partner. And don't concern yourself with different ability levels. Arrange a time to meet and start together, if you split up after warm up, that's fine - at least it got you going. Just keep the communication lines open so that everyone is free to work out at their appropriate level. Show up self sufficient so that no one need worry. Let the club work for you: LA Tri Club offers several group workouts - just call the 877 TRI GEEK line to find them. Don't Take It For Granted: If you're reading this, consider yourself lucky. Chances are you're employed, you've got a pair of swim goggles, a bike (any bike) and pair of running shoes. You are also living in a first world country that's got a strong economy, its roads are smooth and even, its fairly safe outside, it's air and water are relatively clean. I read on page one of the Sunday, July 16th LA Times about Sirivahn Ketavog. She is Laos' best female distance runner, she's bound for Sydney, she competed in the '96 Atlanta Games, and she trained in the same pair of shoes for nearly four years until somebody bought her a new pair for $30 and gave her a running magazine that had some training tips in it. In the same article there's a bit about a 22 year old Peruvian wrestler named Sidney Guzman who, like many of his country's athletes, subsists on bread and tea after workouts. The sports officials in Peru discovered that many of their amateur athletes were malnourished and started handing out pasta, but some end up selling it to pay rent on cardboard-roofed slums. Health seems to be a thing we also take for granted. Whenever I start boohooing over a strain, I try to think of Rudy Garcia. If you don't know of this kid, keep your eyes open at Zuma on September 17th for a 12 year old, above the knee - double amputee who breezes through a tri with a huge smile on his face. Break it up: Scatter races throughout the season. If you have one important race in the spring and one in September then you are setting yourself up for trouble. Even if the dates look questionable, go to a race three weeks before a key event and just phone it in. Or show up for a sprint right after a long distance tri and do it for fun. Another great way to test yourself and keep things interesting is to break up the disciplines. I see a ton of triathletes compete in 5K, 10K and other foot races, but too few triathletes go to a mountain and/or road bike races. Give some thought to removing your aerobars and getting a hard lesson in tactics from the group, or leave your aeros on and race a time trail. Swim meets also happen frequently. Ask your coach about local meets or masters nationals - preparing for one of those will definitely bump you up a level.

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Leadville Trail 100 Mountain Bike Race Report Liz Kollar 08/17/2011
Racing with 'heart'.. someone else's heart Tim Bomba 12/03/2010
Ironman Brazil 70.3 Race Report, 8/28/2010 Nils Taylor 09/01/2010
Race Report: IM Coeur d'Alene '09 Audra Lalley 07/22/2009
Make a Smooth Transition Jamie Silber, USAT Level 2 Coach 06/03/2009
Konrad's Top 10 Cheap or Free Ways to Get Faster Konrad Ribeiro 03/30/2009
Swim, Stride & Suds Konrad Ribeiro 03/24/2009
2009 Ocean Speed Circuit info and FAQ's Konrad Ribeiro 03/24/2009
.: 2009 Spring Training Camp :. Liz Oakes 02/03/2009
Craig Alexander scheduled for Monday, Feb. 2nd Meeting Liz Hamm 01/19/2009
2009 Events Scheduled Liz Hamm 12/15/2008
2009 Sponsor Search Paul Hekimian 12/04/2008
My Kona 2008 by Mark Lytle Mark Lytle 11/15/2008
2008 Member Award nominations open until Dec. 1 Liz Oakes 11/05/2008
XTERRA USA Moves to Utah–The End of an 8 Year Run in Incline Village, NV Erin Beresini 10/24/2008
The Inside Triathlon Merger with Triathlete Magazine: Good or Bad for Triathlon? Erin Beresini 10/22/2008
Monaco 70.3 Tamara Adelman 09/28/2008
Monaco 70.3 Sept. 7, 2008 Tamara Adelman 09/22/2008
IM Wisconsin on a Mountain Bike Gil Solomon 09/16/2008
Ironman Training without your spouse divorcing you– Rhabdomyolysis – Full Vineman Richard Valdez 09/10/2008
'Oh, The Places You'll Go' - Dr. Seuss Tim Bomba 06/25/2008
What is my "Training Level"? Beginner, Intermediate, or Advanced? Konrad Ribeiro 06/03/2008
Buy A Bigger Bowl Jeff Matlow 05/16/2008
LA Tri Club presents Conrad Stoltz & Melanie McQuaid Club 04/16/2008
April 1st, 2008 Arkady Hagopian 04/15/2008
17 THINGS THAT TRIATHLON HAS TAUGHT ME ABOUT LIFE Jeff Matlow 04/15/2008
HI, MAINTENANCE. Jeff Matlow 02/19/2008
The Race from Head to Heart Brian Melekian 01/23/2008
LA Tri Club intervewied for Slowtwitch.com Herbert Krabel 12/11/2007
Welcome to the New Home of the LA Tri Club! Brian Morel 11/14/2007

News & Updates

Title Posted By Date
LA Tri Club Open Water Swim Paul Hekimian 11/14/2023
Teen Team - Legacy Triathlon Paul Hekimian 05/03/2023
Race Report - Stage Coach 400 - Ian Murray Paul Hekimian 04/04/2023
Masters Swim Program Paul Hekimian 02/07/2023
LATC Performance Membership Paul Hekimian 02/06/2023
LATC Youth Fundraising Paul Hekimian 02/02/2023
LATC Launches Teen Team Paul Hekimian 02/02/2023
Race Report - Mark Allen Church Paul Hekimian 10/31/2022
Member Spotlight - William Bowden Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Mark Church Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Shelly Williams Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Kara Cannon Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Sponsor Spotlight - AAA TLC - Dr. Stephanie Marcy, PhD ABPP, Clinical Psychologist Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Allison Joy Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Stephen Sweeney Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Jeff Freedman Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Viktor Toth Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Annabel Polanco Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Diana Ramirez Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Luis Flores Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Greg Bicksler Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Kyle Holland Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Sydney Miyatake Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Julio Garcia II Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Victor Weber Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Will Westwater Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Alex Goodman Paul Hekimian 11/30/2021
Member Spotlight - Mario Ocampo Paul Hekimian 08/18/2021
FREE Open Water Swim Workouts Paul Hekimian 05/19/2021
LATC Season Kick-Off Meeting with Heather Jackson Paul Hekimian 03/15/2021
The DNA of INJURIES Paul Hekimian 10/19/2020
First Thursday with Special Guest Joe Friel Paul Hekimian 05/25/2020
Paralympian, Three-Time ITU Triathlon World Champion, Ironman 70.3 World Champion, first woman to finish an Ironman on a prosthetic leg Paul Hekimian 05/19/2020
FREE LATC / TriFit Daily Online Workouts Paul Hekimian 04/28/2020
The Game Changers - Dotsie Bausch Paul Hekimian 03/30/2020
Triathlon Hour - Guest: Chris Foster Paul Hekimian 03/30/2020
Season Opener Paul Hekimian 01/24/2019
New Racing and Training kits Paul Hekimian 01/24/2019
Daniela Ryf Paul Hekimian 01/24/2019
We Treat More Than Just Back Problems! Benjamin Kleinbrodt 07/30/2018
Mercury Rising : Beat the Heat Gareth Thomas 05/19/2018
Time to Tri Paul Hekimian 02/19/2018
YEP 2017 Photos Paul Hekimian 01/25/2018
Exclusive: Jesse Thomas Enters His First Ironman Paul Hekimian 02/26/2017
LA Tri Club Swim Workout w/ Coach Stu, Thursdays & Sunday's 02/08/2017
7 Ultra-cooling Summer Beauty Tips by Herbalife Nutrition Jennifer Guran 02/08/2017
Mucho Gusto Ride Series Paul Hekimian 02/01/2017
LATC NRG RUN EVENTS Hosted by Coach Jamie Silber Paul Hekimian 02/01/2017
YEP (Year End Party) Award Winners Paul Hekimian 01/22/2017
Mucho Gusto Kits Paul Hekimian 01/01/2017
Open Water Sighting: What You Need To Know Shoulder Injury Prevention 04/13/2016
BREATH RIGHT, SWIM BETTER Shoulder Injury Prevention 03/23/2016
Coast2Coast Swim Challenge - May 22nd Shoulder Injury Prevention 03/23/2016
NEW Member Dashboard NEW Member Dashboard 02/12/2016
Shoulder Injury Prevention Shoulder Injury Prevention 02/12/2016
2017 New Racing and Training Kits Paul Hekimian 01/14/2016
YEP Awards Recipients YEP Awards Recipients 01/12/2016
2015 Year End Party (YEP) Put on your dancin' shoes it's PARTY TIME! 01/09/2016
2015 Ironman Viewing Party/Picnic Who says Friday the 13th is unlucky?! 11/02/2015
Strawberry Stand Ride Deborah Carabet 10/20/2015
New Pit Crew Tee's Paul Hekimian 09/10/2015
Santa Barbara Triathlon 2015 Pictures Deborah Carabet 08/24/2015
MaccaX LA Trianing Camp Paul Hekimian 06/30/2015
5th Annual Coast 2 Coast Paul Hekimian 05/20/2015
New Ocean Swim Workout Paul Hekimian 03/24/2015
Nutrition Night Paul Hekimian 02/28/2015
Last week to get your Orders in. Paul Hekimian 02/16/2015
SwimLabs Stroke Analysis Paul Hekimian 02/05/2015
First Thursday Paul Hekimian 01/26/2015
YEP-Beach Edition Paul Hekimian 01/22/2015
Sirens and Titans Fitness on Sunday, January 11th 2015 Paul Hekimian 12/18/2014
Secrets to Significantly Growing Your Event or Business Through Clubs Paul Hekimian 11/18/2014
Tri Lab Brick and BBQ Paul Hekimian 11/14/2014
LATC Sneak Peak of 2014 NBC broadcast of the Ironman World Championship 10/26/2014
Sirens & Titans Fitness Camp Sirens & Titans Fitness 10/12/2014
THE IRONSTRENGTH WORKOUT Dr. Jordan Metzl 10/06/2014
The Club Race and BBQ - October 4, 2014 Paul Hekimian 09/23/2014
Another Fantastic First Thursday Social Paul Hekimian 08/08/2014
Congratulations Ironman 70.3 Vineman LATC Members Paul Hekimian 07/16/2014
Coast 2 Coast Swim Challenge Paul Hekimian 06/20/2014
Winning Insights for Endurance Athlete Nutrition Chris Lohman 06/09/2014
You may LOVE doing it. You may HATE doing it. John Carlisle 05/29/2014
Tri Talks - Year ONE in Triathlon Liz Hamm 03/14/2014
2014 Spring Training Camp Liz Hamm 02/24/2014
Fun Run SCAVENGER HUNT Liz Hamm 02/21/2014
Year End Party Liz Hamm 01/29/2014
New Club Kit "hive" Design Offered Liz Hamm 11/11/2013
CPR & First Aid Certification Class Offered Liz Hamm 10/23/2013
RACE Life Time Tri Oceanside & RSVP for Andy Potts Meeting Andy Potts 10/14/2013
Newbie, Noobie - The Experts Konrad Ribeiro, Jennifer Kramer 09/23/2013
Sponsor Spotlight: Zone 3 Multisport Glenn Mantel 09/14/2013
A Year's Journey: Getting Dumped, My Mom's Death 3 Days Later, Losing 35 Lbs Ana Beatriz Cholo 08/23/2013
Youth & Jr National Championships - LATC & TTS Team Reaches New Heights Ian Murray 08/07/2013
LA TRI Club Gives Scholarship Grant to Help 32 Needy Kids Learn to Swim with Non-Profit ‘One with the Water’ and CoachArt LA Tri Club 07/12/2013
PUR PAK making news with MACCA Liz Hamm 06/17/2013
Cardiac Screening offered June 15 Liz Hamm 06/10/2013
2013 Coast 2 Coast Swim Challenge – June 2nd Roberta Silverman 05/21/2013
1st Annual LATC Never Evers Triathlon Liz Hamm 03/07/2013
Hunter Kemper Meeting September 30th, 2012 Paul Hekimian 10/31/2012
Think you don't need a heartrate monitor? Coach Gareth explains why you should think again. Chris Lohman 08/20/2012
Youth and Junior Triathlon Team Having a Great Year Chris Lohman 07/17/2012
Swim to Save Lives at the Coast 2 Coast Swim Challenge Chris Lohman 05/11/2012

Swim Training

Title Posted By Date
Swim Workout by coach Jamie at InfiniteNRG Paul Hekimian 04/25/2015
Swim Paddles for Triathletes: Harmful or Helpful? Gerry Rodrigues 01/29/2011
2010 Wed Ocean Speed Circuit INFO Konrad Riberio 03/30/2010
Desert Tri Roster 2010 pdf Ray Barrios 03/04/2010
Triathlon Training Series, Volume One Ian Murray and Jamie Silber 09/30/2008
Five Mistakes That Lead to Injury Olympian Jeff Galloway 08/28/2008
LA Tri Club presents Conrad Stoltz & Melanie McQuaid LATC 05/13/2008
Konrad's 1-hour swim workouts (updated 5.3.08) Konrad Ribeiro 05/04/2008
Gearing up the mind and body for the coming triathlon season. Ian Murray, Head Coach of LA Tri Club 01/02/2008
The best sport on the planet, and the best club in the sport. Tim Bomba 11/14/2007
Flickr an LA Tri Club Member User Guide Brian Morel 11/10/2007
Lactic Acid - Friend or Foe? Robert Forster, PT 11/10/2007
Wetsuits Tom Long 04/21/2007
Sculling: The forgotten drill Brian Morel 04/21/2007
Bilateral Breathing Brian Morel 04/21/2007
Swimming Article by Brendan Terry Brian Morel 04/21/2007
Good Swimming is Relaxed Swimming Brian Morel 04/05/2007
Local Pools 09/20/2005
LA County Beach Advisory 09/20/2005

Run Training

Title Posted By Date
Run Workout by coach Jamie at InfiniteNRG Paul Hekimian 04/25/2015
THE PERFECT MILE from Runners World Ed Eyestone 02/19/2009
Run more efficiently: Add speed work Brian Morel 04/21/2007
Run strong: Building lower leg strength, durability and injury resistance Brian Morel 04/21/2007
Efficient running: Move more horizontally Brian Morel 04/21/2007
Running slow to run faster Brian Morel 04/21/2007
Treadmill threshold workouts Brian Morel 04/21/2007
Google Maps Pedometer 11/01/2005
Run Routes Eric Cheung 09/21/2005

Newbies - General

Title Posted By Date
FAQ for Sunday SGV Sprint Training Sharon McNary 07/22/2008
Guidelines for Beginner Swimmers + Workout Brian Morel 04/21/2007
What is a Newbie? Jason Berkowitz 03/26/2007
How to LOOK like a Triathlete Jason Berkowitz 03/26/2007

Newbies - Swim

Title Posted By Date
Lake Swim Locales William Robinson 06/09/2011
Origins of the Ocean 101 Tim Bomba 01/02/2008
Open Water Swimming Brian Morel 05/02/2007
Triathlon Swimming Made Easy Brian Morel 05/02/2007

Newbies - Bike

Title Posted By Date
Bicycle Maintenance Guide Brian Morel 05/23/2007
Tips on Riding w/ Clipless Pedals Brian Morel 05/16/2007

Newbies - Run

Title Posted By Date
Training for Distance Running Brian Morel 06/01/2007
Getting Started with Running Brian Morel 06/01/2007
The Couch-to-5k Running Plan Brian Morel 06/01/2007
Beinners Guide to Running Brian Morel 06/01/2007
Will Smith on Running & Reading (Key to Life) Brian Morel 05/28/2007

Health & Nutrition

Title Posted By Date
Questions About Probiotics? Markus Boesch 03/27/2015
(Eat Healthy & Thrive) Amaranth Breakfast Porridge Markus Boesch 03/27/2015
Stay Healthy This Holiday Season Markus Boesch 12/24/2014
Lower Your Cholesterol Markus Boesch 11/20/2014
Benefits of Green Smoothies Markus Boesch 11/13/2014
The Truth About Protein Powders Markus Boesch 11/12/2014
Five Reasons to Consider a PLANT STRONG (Vegan/Vegetarian) Diet Markus Boesch 11/28/2013
Plant Strong! How to Start a Plant-Based Diet Markus Boesch 09/17/2013
The Wonders of Turmeric: Ditch the Advil. Markus Boesch 09/06/2013
Super-Food Spotlight: MACA Markus Boesch 08/15/2013
Quiz: Are You Ready to Commit to a Healthy Diet? Markus Boesch 07/16/2013
The Many Health Benefits of Apple Cider Vinegar Markus Boesch 07/16/2013
PROTEIN: Top Plants that are High in Protein Markus Boesch 07/08/2013
Juicing vs. Blending..? The 411. Markus Boesch 07/05/2013
Super Foods That Boost Your Brain Power Markus Boesch 07/04/2013
Want to Be Really Healthy? Go Nutritarian! Markus Boesch 07/02/2013
Ease Arthritis Pain with Good Nutrition Markus Boesch 07/02/2013
Reasons to Eat More KALE Markus Boesch 07/01/2013
Intro to Pranayama Markus Boesch 07/01/2013
Super-Food Spotlight: Chia Seeds Markus Boesch 07/01/2013
What causes that occasional muscle soreness after a workout? Markus Boesch 07/01/2013
Oxalates and Green Smoothies: Markus Boesch 07/01/2013
Make Good Health a Priority Markus Boesch 07/01/2013
Train Movement - Not Muscles Markus Boesch 07/01/2013
Good Morning Sunshine Smoothie Markus Boesch 07/01/2013
Plant Powered 4th of July Feast Markus Boesch 07/01/2013
End Food Cravings Now! Markus Boesch 07/01/2013
Superfood Spotlight: Hemp Seeds Markus Boesch 07/01/2013
Manage Workouts With An Improved Thought Process Markus Boesch 07/01/2013
Make Lasting Changes. Markus Boesch 07/01/2013
Iron Deficiency Anemia and Performance Bob Seebohar, MS, RD, CSSD, CSCS 05/04/2009
IM Nutrition Leo Carneiro 10/10/2008

Other

Title Posted By Date
Pushing the Limits :: Screenings 7/31 & 8/4 Liz Oakes 07/31/2009
Training Computer Comparison Steve Mark 01/08/2009
Tri car member survey Max Miller 09/27/2008
Wetsuit Repair David Ma 06/19/2008
Boise 70.3 Race Report Max Miller 06/09/2008
Palos Verdes Loop Directions Tom Long 03/27/2007
2006 YEP Program Liz Oakes, Brian Morel, S.Stern 03/27/2007
2004 Kona Viewing Pty Program Liz Oakes Members 03/27/2007
Trainer or Rollers? - LATC Member Feedback David Ma 03/27/2007
Podiatrists - LATC Member Feedback alan lehman 03/27/2007
Bike Route: Amalfi Loops Konrad Ribeiro 03/27/2007
Bike Route: Marina Loop Konrad Ribeiro 03/27/2007
Wildflower Long Course - Text Description Babak Azad 03/27/2007
Wildflower Long Course - Bike Image Babak Azad 03/27/2007
Wildflower Long Course - Run Image Babak Azad 03/27/2007
Wildflower Camp Map 2005 LA Tri Club 03/27/2007
Traveling Triathlete Checklist LA Tri Club 03/27/2007
Tour de France Liggett/Sherwen Bingo Konrad Ribeiro 03/27/2007
Bike Route: Griffith Park Brick - 22 Miler LA Tri Club / Mike Janson 03/27/2007
Polar 625 Cheat Sheet Andrew Hannan 03/27/2007
2005 YEP Program Liz Oakes, Brian Morel, Stacey Ster 03/27/2007
Biking from Santa Monica to San Diego (Sea World) Babak Azad 03/27/2007
Angeles Crest Ride FAQ Mark Lytle 03/27/2007
2004 YEP Program/Yearbook Liz Oakes, Brian Morel 03/26/2007
Transition Talk 09.29.04 Luau Meeting Committee 03/26/2007
ROAD ID Member Survey Rosalind Jarrett 03/26/2007
1/2 Ironman Race Advice Julie Miller 03/26/2007
Member Awards History (as of '06) LA Tri Club Members 03/26/2007
Heart Rate Monitors/Cycle Computer Email Response Derek Dunn 03/26/2007
Santa Monica to Santa Barbara Bicycle Route LA Tri Club / Willam Hurst 03/26/2007
LACTATE BUILD-UP OR NOT?? Gareth Thomas 03/26/2007
Race Wheels - LATC Member Feedback Keith Ho 03/26/2007
Side Stitches - LATC Member Feedback Mike Gwaltney 03/26/2007
Men, running and nipples Alan Lehman 03/26/2007
Sciatica help Detra Jones 03/26/2007
Altitude and the Triathlete Ian Murray 03/26/2007
The Power of Preseason Ian Murray 03/26/2007
Running Wild Ian Murray 03/26/2007
Monitor Madness Ian Murray 03/26/2007
Keepin' It Fresh Ian Murray 03/26/2007
Attention Race Fans Ian Murray 03/26/2007
Transition Time Ian Murray 03/26/2007
Seasonal Stuffing and Travel Treachery Ian Murray 03/26/2007
Transitions Pat Abe 03/26/2007
Got Wheels? Lloyd Taylor 03/26/2007
Our Journey Pat Abe 03/26/2007
Life With Water Ian Murray 03/26/2007
The Question of Time Ian Murray 03/26/2007
Free Speed Ian Murray 03/26/2007
Finding Quality Ian Murray 03/26/2007
Didactic Dopplegangers Ian Murray 03/26/2007
Let's Talk Pedals Lloyd Taylor 03/26/2007
Tire and Tube Preparation Lloyd Taylor 03/26/2007
Women Specific Saddles Saveria Tilden 06/20/2005
How to Ride in a Pack When Cycling EHow.com 03/23/2005
Memorable Finishers - Ironman Inspiration Ironman25.com 10/21/2004
Paul Hekimian Interview on Endurance Radio Endurance Radio 09/01/2004
May I Mention Intention Ian Murray 10/03/2001